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Nogen gange går jeg ud i haven og gemmer nogle rigtig lækre godbidder rundt omkring, og så sender jeg enten Baldur eller Luna ud og lede efter dem, og da vi har 1.800 kvm have, så kan det godt tage et styke tid I dag valgte jeg så at lade begge hunde lede efter godbidderne på samme tid, og det var godt nok en fornøjelse at se De spænede rundt, da de jo godt var klar over at den der fandt godbidderne først, også var den der fik lov at spise dem. Så det der normalt tager 20-30 minutter var overstået på 10 minutter, og jeg kunne virkelig se på dem at de syntes at det her var bare rigtig sjovt, meget sjovere end når de selv ledte efter dem Så hvis du har mere end en hund, så syntes jeg du skal lade dem konkurrere om at finde godbidder du har gemt i haven, for det er da godt nok sjovt at se ps. Det er ikke fodersøg på græsplænen jeg mener, men godbidder hængt på grene, gemt på en havestol, gemt under nogle blade osv.

Nu er det ikke kattene der bliver dræbt her i området, derimod ryger der en del mus :blink: Udekatten elsker at være ude om natten, og har altid gjort det, så det vil jeg helst ikke tage fra ham. Men som sagt, så fik jeg kattene til at opføre sig ordentlig i nat, så det håber jeg forsætter

Nej, og jeg ville heller aldrig vælge at gøre det, da jeg absolut ikke mener at det er en god måde for hvalpen at starte sit liv uden mor på...

De er IKKE ens, husk nu at det hele startede for sjov :blink:

Det lyder da ikke som om at man helt har tænkt sig om da man lavede ønskeprofilen for lab'en...

Racestandard Amstaff http://www.dansk-kennel-klub.dk/files/pdf/Amstaff.pdf : Helhedsindtryk: Skal give indtryk af betydelig styrke i forhold til sin størrelse. En solidt sammensat hund, muskuløs, men adræt og let til bens, meget vågen overfor sine omgivelser. Den skal være tæt og firskåren, hverken højbenet, let bygget eller elegant af skikkelse. Dens mod er legendarisk Racestandard lab http://www.dansk-kennel-klub.dk/files/pdf/Labrador.pdf: Helhedsindtryk: Stærkt bygget, med kompakt krop, meget energisk. Skallen er bred, bryst og brystkasse har god bredde og dybde. Den er bred og stærk over lænd og bagpart Idet at lab'en ikke skal mentalt testes, så er der også en beskrivelse af temperamentet, det er der ikke hos Amstaff'en det at det jo skal testes. Men som sagt, så er deres ønskeprofil næsten ens. Temperament: Godmodig og meget adræt. Den har en fremragende lugtesans, "blød mund" (skånsom vildtbehandling) og er en passioneret vandhund. Den tilpasser sig let og er en hengiven følgesvend. Den er intelligent, ivrig og villig til at adlyde, med et stærkt ønske om at behage. Dens væsen er venligt, uden antydning af aggressivitet eller ubegrundet skyhed. Om amstaff'ens temperament står der på raceklubbens side: Racens vigtigste egenskab er dens temperament. En Amstaff er en usædvanlig glad, udadvendt og positiv hund, som er levende interesseret i alt hvad der foregår. En Amstaff har en stærk og modig psyke, som gør, at den bevarer roen og ikke foretager sig noget uoverlagt. Den er en god vagthund, som gør meget lidt.

Det var jo også det der var forskellen, Amstaff'en måtte godt ruske, Lab'en måtte ikke

Her er Amstaff'ens ønskeprofil http://www.amstaffnetwork.dk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=11 Og her har du Lab'ens http://www.dansk-kennel-klub.dk/0/1981 Og de eneste forskelle jeg kunne finde var, at lab'en ikke må ruske byttet

Nu bliver der jo så også arbejdet på den måde som du foreslår, men dette hører du så bare ikke så meget om, men forhåbentlig vil man kunne se effekten af det...

Mulline er helt sikkert i stand til at forsvare sig selv :blink: Men jeg kan alligevel ikke lade være med at spørge om du så smilien for enden af hendes udsagn?

Men ønskeprofilen rent mentalt er jo ens for labradoren og Amstaff'en, så måske er der noget om snakken :blink: Undskyld, nu driller jeg

Nu syntes jeg bare at billedet var sødt, og det var ikke for at støde dig eller andre

Hvor ser han kær ud

Citat fra artiklen: - Racer kan vi ikke bestemme, medmindre ejeren selv fremlægger en stamtavle. Sådan hundejere imellem kan man jo altid blive enige om, at en hund "minder om" en schæfer eller "har træk fra" en rottweiler, men det er ren hyggesnak og det holder ikke en meter i retten, siger Arne Skjoldager. Typebetegnelser som "muskelhund" eller "kamphund" er ifølge dyrlægeformanden endnu mere upræcist, fordi ingen er enige om, hvor på dyret man skal måle og hvad grænserne er. Billede jeg så i dag, som passer meget godt til teksten :blink::

Jeg kender ikke til hvordan CM behandler hans hunde, udover det jeg har set i fjernsynet, så det kan jeg ikke udtale mig om. Men din forståelse af Dogtown er korrekt, de går efter at deres hunde kan bestå "Canine Good Citizen test": AKC’s Canine Good Citizen® (CGC) Program Training/Testing: CGC Test Items Before taking the Canine Good Citizen test, owners will sign the Responsible Dog Owners Pledge. We believe that responsible dog ownership is a key part of the CGC concept and by signing the pledge, owners agree to take care of their dog's health needs, safety, exercise, training and quality of life. Owners also agree to show responsibility by doing things such as cleaning up after their dogs in public places and never letting dogs infringe on the rights of others. After signing the Responsible Dog Owners Pledge, owners and their dogs are ready to take the CGC Test. Items on the Canine Good Citizen Test include: Test 1: Accepting a friendly stranger This test demonstrates that the dog will allow a friendly stranger to approach it and speak to the handler in a natural, everyday situation. The evaluator walks up to the dog and handler and greets the handler in a friendly manner, ignoring the dog. The evaluator and handler shake hands and exchange pleasantries. The dog must show no sign of resentment or shyness, and must not break position or try to go to the evaluator. Test 2: Sitting politely for petting This test demonstrates that the dog will allow a friendly stranger to touch it while it is out with its handler. With the dog sitting at the handler's side, to begin the exercise, the evaluator pets the dog on the head and body. The handler may talk to his or her dog throughout the exercise. The dog may stand in place as it is petted. The dog must not show shyness or resentment. Test 3: Appearance and grooming This practical test demonstrates that the dog will welcome being groomed and examined and will permit someone, such as a veterinarian, groomer or friend of the owner, to do so. It also demonstrates the owner's care, concern and sense of responsibility. The evaluator inspects the dog to determine if it is clean and groomed. The dog must appear to be in healthy condition (i.e., proper weight, clean, healthy and alert). The handler should supply the comb or brush commonly used on the dog. The evaluator then softly combs or brushes the dog, and in a natural manner, lightly examines the ears and gently picks up each front foot. It is not necessary for the dog to hold a specific position during the examination, and the handler may talk to the dog, praise it and give encouragement throughout. Test 4: Out for a walk (walking on a loose lead) This test demonstrates that the handler is in control of the dog. The dog may be on either side of the handler. The dog's position should leave no doubt that the dog is attentive to the handler and is responding to the handler's movements and changes of direction. The dog need not be perfectly aligned with the handler and need not sit when the handler stops. The evaluator may use a pre-plotted course or may direct the handler/dog team by issuing instructions or commands. In either case, there should be a right turn, left turn, and an about turn with at least one stop in between and another at the end. The handler may talk to the dog along the way, praise the dog, or give commands in a normal tone of voice. The handler may sit the dog at the halts if desired. Test 5: Walking through a crowd This test demonstrates that the dog can move about politely in pedestrian traffic and is under control in public places. The dog and handler walk around and pass close to several people (at least three). The dog may show some interest in the strangers but should continue to walk with the handler, without evidence of over-exuberance, shyness or resentment. The handler may talk to the dog and encourage or praise the dog throughout the test. The dog should not jump on people in the crowd or strain on the leash. Test 6: Sit and down on command and Staying in place This test demonstrates that the dog has training, will respond to the handler's commands to sit and down and will remain in the place commanded by the handler (sit or down position, whichever the handler prefers). The dog must do sit AND down on command, then the owner chooses the position for leaving the dog in the stay. Prior to this test, the dog's leash is replaced with a line 20 feet long. The handler may take a reasonable amount of time and use more than one command to get the dog to sit and then down. The evaluator must determine if the dog has responded to the handler's commands. The handler may not force the dog into position but may touch the dog to offer gentle guidance. When instructed by the evaluator, the handler tells the dog to stay and walks forward the length of the line, turns and returns to the dog at a natural pace. The dog must remain in the place in which it was left (it may change position) until the evaluator instructs the handler to release the dog. The dog may be released from the front or the side. Test 7: Coming when called This test demonstrates that the dog will come when called by the handler. The handler will walk 10 feet from the dog, turn to face the dog, and call the dog. The handler may use encouragement to get the dog to come. Handlers may choose to tell dogs to "stay" or "wait" or they may simply walk away, giving no instructions to the dog. Test 8: Reaction to another dog This test demonstrates that the dog can behave politely around other dogs. Two handlers and their dogs approach each other from a distance of about 20 feet, stop, shake hands and exchange pleasantries, and continue on for about 10 feet. The dogs should show no more than casual interest in each other. Neither dog should go to the other dog or its handler. Test 9: Reaction to distraction This test demonstrates that the dog is confident at all times when faced with common distracting situations. The evaluator will select and present two distractions. Examples of distractions include dropping a chair, rolling a crate dolly past the dog, having a jogger run in front of the dog, or dropping a crutch or cane. The dog may express natural interest and curiosity and/or may appear slightly startled but should not panic, try to run away, show aggressiveness, or bark. The handler may talk to the dog and encourage or praise it throughout the exercise. Test 10: Supervised separation This test demonstrates that a dog can be left with a trusted person, if necessary, and will maintain training and good manners. Evaluators are encouraged to say something like, "Would you like me to watch your dog?" and then take hold of the dog's leash. The owner will go out of sight for three minutes. The dog does not have to stay in position but should not continually bark, whine, or pace unnecessarily, or show anything stronger than mild agitation or nervousness. Evaluators may talk to the dog but should not engage in excessive talking, petting, or management attempts (e.g, "there, there, it's alright").

Undskyld jeg bliver ved, men jeg er altså helt vild med det sted De har skrevet hvordan det gik med kamphundene efter udsendelsen sluttede, og lidt om hvordan de har trænet dem: Dog’s name: Meryl Trainer’s name: Ann Allums Initial diagnosis: Fearful of strangers, Meryl may lash out when meeting a new person if not properly introduced. Training program: First and most important, Meryl is only introduced to new people through people she already trusts so that she does not lash out. Trainer John Garcia and I have worked rigorously on introducing Meryl to other trainers, so now a number of us have gained her trust. We show her that the people who take care of her won't hurt her. Additionally, I always seek ways to give Meryl a full and rich life with adoptive owners one day, which begins with learning basic commands such as sit, stay and come, and then moving up to agility training. Status: Meryl has met new people and has a variety of caregivers who can walk her, play with her and snuggle with her. We practice agility regularly and Meryl loves it. When Meryl sees me coming she gets really excited — good things are going to happen! I also discovered that Meryl loves other dogs and now she has regular play dates with a variety of doggie friends! Dog’s name: Georgia Trainer’s name: John Garcia Initial diagnosis: When I met Georgia, she was very aloof with people, demonstrated food guarding issues and was aggressive to other dogs. Training program: The first task was to show Georgia that she was loved — that we wouldn't hurt her, and that in fact we would take care of her and bring good things to her life. That didn't take too long! After that, we focused on food guarding. I started by feeding her by hand so that she had nothing to guard and rewarding her with a bigger treat when I wanted to take another food item away. She has done a great job. Then we moved to basic commands like sit, stay and come. I've chosen not to address her aggression against other dogs yet. I don't blame her for this strong reaction to other dogs after what she's been through. For now, if she doesn't want to be with dogs, that's fine; we'll let her be with people — which is what she loves. Status: Georgia is doing great. She is enjoying time with me and with her caregivers and hasn't shown any food guarding issues in a long time. Plus she's mastering the basic commands. She loves her walks, her toys and the people in her life. Dog’s name: Denzel Trainer’s name: John Garcia Initial diagnosis: One of the things I immediately noticed about Denzel was his energy level. I know from experience that dogs with energy need plenty of exercise, so we would need to include exercise as part of the training program for Denzel. He would also need a lot of mental and physical stimulation, and we would also have to establish boundaries early on. Training program: Our training plans for Denzel were put on the shelf for a while because when he arrived at Best Friends, our vets discovered that he had a pretty severe case of anemia and an underlying disease — a tickborne parasite sometimes found in fighting dogs. It took months to get him on track. After that, it was on to basic obedience training and getting Denzel ready to pass our Canine Good Citizen test. Status: Healthy, happy and energetic. Learning new things every day and getting better and better at following basic commands. Dog’s name: Cherry Trainer’s name: Michelle Besmehn Initial diagnosis: Shy and undersocialized, Cherry flattens to the ground when on a leash and doesn’t want to walk. Training program: My plan for Cherry was to first get to know him and figure out what causes him stress, what makes him happy and what interests him, and then use those things to help him feel more comfortable and calm. When Cherry first arrived and we clipped a leash to him, he would completely flatten his whole body to the ground and stay motionless. So one of the first things I did was to carry him outside for his walk and stand there with him, waiting for him to eventually start moving around a little bit on his own. Even if he sneaked over to a place that he thought was a little safer, maybe near a wall or a fence line, that was an accomplishment because it was his own agenda. He was still on a leash, but he realized it wasn’t so bad. And it progressed from there! Next, we wanted to introduce him to new experiences and help him to realize that not only will he be able to survive new experiences but he may actually be able to enjoy them. Even touching him made him nervous, but if you started massaging him, he would start to relax. Cherry also seemed very interested in other dogs, so we carefully introduced him to them and found him a friend in Mel to play with, which has really brightened up his outlook on life. Status: Cherry is becoming a much braver, more confident dog. He interacts playfully with all of his caregivers and actively seeks our attention. Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dogtown/3684/Overview55#tab-vick-dogs-update#ixzz0QbJuFBcR

Det er kun i starten at de er alene i burerne, efterhånden som de lærer hundene og kende, så finder de hunde der passer sammen, og så bliver disse hunde sat ind i en fælles hundegård. De mener at det sociale liv er meget vigtig for hunde, så lige så snart de mener at det er forsvarligt, så sættes hundene sammen De fandt såmænd også hunde som kamphundene kunne gå sammen med

Det var da en fornuftig udmeldning :5up:

Du kan læse om udsendelsen her http://www.bestfriends.org/dogtown/index.cfm?csid=3725&csii=3782&csit=Set Her er der rent faktisk et lille filmklip fra netop denne episode http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dogtown/4645/Overview?source=link_bfs_20#tab-Videos/06389_00

Det var rent faktisk en rørende udsendelse, som sagt var disse hunde virkelig blevet mishandlet, og den ene hund havde trukket sig helt ind i sig selv, og de kunne slet ikke få kontakt med den, den var bare apatisk og ville ikke snakke med nogen De brugte så lydterapi, de havde en cd med lyde af hunde der leger (de har en bestemt vejrtrækning når de leger), og denne cd afspillede de imens de sad inde hos hunden, og til sidst lykkedes det dem at vinde dens tillid :5up:

jeg har set et program med dem hvor de reddede 10-20 (jeg kan ikke huske præcist hvor mange) kamphunde som var blevet brugt i kamp, disse hunde var i en slem forfatning. De brugte en masse resourcer på at få disse hunde på fode igen, og det lykkedes med de fleste af dem, og dem det ikke lykkedes med, dem beholdt de så selv. Så det gør de altså

Jeg har prøvet at have vinduet åbent så de selv kan gå ud og ind om natten, men efter at den ene kat i 3 nætter i træk havde slæbt en levende mus med ind og op på badeværelset, for derefter at bøllebanke den stakkels mus imens jeg forsøgte at sove, har jeg lidt opgivet den tanke igen Tak, det syntes jeg egentlig også lidt, men jeg havde jo straks dårlig samvittighed alligevel...

Tak for dit søde indlæg. Og problemet er jo netop som du skriver, at have 2 krævende hunde, som ikke ligger på samme niveau, og man derfor sjældent kan lave noget sammen med dem begge, gør at alting bliver meget krævende og svært. Jeg har ikke noget imod krævende hunde, misforstå mig nu ikke, men hvor jeg dog glæder mig til Luna er gammel nok til komme med på vores lange og dejlige ture Der er ikke noget bedre end at stå op søndag morgen, pakke lidt vand og nogle godbidder, og så begive sig ud på en 10 km tur hvor man ser naturen vågne Med hensyn til kattene, så var jeg så snedig at jeg gav udekatten lidt lækkert vådfoder 5 minutter før vi gik i seng, så var han beskæftiget indtil vi andre var faldet i søvn. Og det virkede heldigvis, så indekatten lagde sig bare til at sove sammen med os andre :5up: Baldur og Luna mente så at de da godt kunne forsætte balladen oppe i sengen, så da de startede på det en halv time efter vi var faldet i søvn, så må jeg indrømme at min ro og overblik var væk... Så jeg råbte så højt jeg og overhovedet kunne, og vækkede både mand og nabolag, men til gengæld blev begge hunde så forskrækkede, at de begge skyndte sig at lægge sig ned, og her blev de så heldigvis resten af natten. Jeg er ikke stolt over mit voldsomme udbrud, men hold kæft hvor var det dejligt at få sovet hele natten :blink: ps. og du må jo også hellere få sådan en her :ae:Du kan nok også trænge til det

Jeg tror at du har fuldstændig ret, det er næsten som om det er blevet et projekt i stedet for noget man nyder, og sådan skal det jo slet ikke være... Og du har nok også ret i at vi ville nå mere hvis vi gjorde det af lyst, og om ikke andet så ville det da være sjovere Så jeg vil helt sikkert forsøge at følge din måde at gøre tingene på :5up:

Der er nemlig ikke noget bedre end sådan en lang tur hvor man bare går, ingen forventninger eller noget, bare nyde hunden og naturen Men som du selv er inde på, så er det ikke altid så afslappende når der er mere end én hund, og slet ikke når den ene af dem er en hvalp på 6 måneder, der absolut skal vise sin storebror hvor meget hun kan og tør Så jeg har hermed bestemt at der skal være mange flere alene ture med dem begge 2, så må den anden bare trøste sig med at det også bliver deres tur