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Præcis, Luna har f.eks. lige gabt fordi at vi sad tæt på hinanden og nussede, i det her tilfælde betyder det ikke at hun er nervøs, men at hun gerne vil vise overfor mig at på trods af at vi er så tæt, så har hun kun venlige hensigter.

http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/3591/the-anatomy-of-a-dog-attack/ The Anatomy of a Dog Attack Submitted by Ryan O'Meara on August 10, 2009 – 9:47 am6 Comments“Out of the blue, it attacked for no reason” When a dog attack is reported we will often hear the same old phrases bandied about. “It came out of the blue” “It was totally unprovoked” “We didn’t see it coming” “It was totally out of character” Ring any bells? Well let’s try and understand how and why a dog might attack someone. Dogs rarely, if ever, attack for no reason. Us humans often misinterpret a dog attacking “out of the blue” and “without warning”‘ because we simply missed the signs. Let’s be clear about one thing. A dog who is prepared to bite someone has his reasons. Can we, as humans, justify those reasons using the social values of people? Probably not. But of course, dogs do not live their lives according to human social values. Here is the story of John, Henry and Max. John has no wife or children. For the last five years he’s lived with his best friend in the world a playful Labrador called Max. John is exited today. Henry, an old friend from school who he hasn’t seen for many years is visiting. John decides today would be a good day to get his garden tidied, make a good impression on his old school chum. As John gets busy in amongst the weeds in the front garden, he spies his old mate making his way up the street. Henry’s been looking forward to catching up with John for weeks and, as he’s never been to his home before, finds himself feeling somewhat jubilant to realise he’s managed to find the street on which John lives without too much trouble and can now relish the prospect of seeing his friend again as well as finally getting to meet the only true love of John’s life, the much talked about Max. It’s a hot and sunny day and Henry is wearing his sunglasses. Further up the street he spots John working in his front garden. John’s already noticed Henry making his way towards him and yells out, “Hi Henry. Fancy a beer?” Henry shouts back, “Sounds just the job. Can you believe this heat?”. As per usual, Max has been ‘helping’ John with his gardening exploits by digging holes of his own all over the lawn. John doesn’t mind. He only wanted the garden so he could have somewhere safe to play fetch with Max on sunny days like today. He’s never been one for trying to keep it immaculate when Max’s favourite hobby is trying to tunnel his way to China. Max has stopped his gardening though. He’s become preoccupied by the exchange between John and Henry and he’s taken a trip the front gate to see what’s going on. “I wonder who this bloke is?” ponders Max. “Why would he and John be shouting at other?” he thinks to himself. “I’d better be on full alert.” he concludes. “John’s just shouted at this chap so he obviously wants me to keep an eye out.” Max fixes himself in position at the front gate and hoists his tail high into the air, he’s keen to let the oncoming stranger know he’s about. John doesn’t notice. Henry’s still coming. So Max decides he needs to be more clear. He starts to emit a deep, low growl in Henry’s direction just to make certain the stranger who’s purposely striding towards him, his owner and HIS garden is left in no uncertain terms that he’s not moving Henry’s still coming. And now he’s close enough for Max to notice his sunglasses. “This is getting more serious by the second”, thinks Max. “He’s not only not listening to me, he’s staring right at me. I know, I’ll stare right back at him. See if he’s as brave then.” Problems. Henry is still as brave. To Max, Henry’s sunglasses look like wide, staring eyes, boring straight ahead and as he marches staunchly toward the increasingly anxious Labrador, Max wonders what his next move might be. As body language goes, Henry is showing all the signs of refusing to listen to Max’s advice. Now tense and feeling genuinely threatened, Max is offered an escape. John jogs inside to fetch a couple of bottles of beer and Max is only too pleased to hurriedly follow his master. Max is somewhat relieved to suspect that John, his idol, is just as scared as he is about the relentless stranger pursuing them both from outside the garden gate. “Shut the door John, shut the door” Max worries. “He’s still coming and you haven’t closed the door”. Too late. Max’s heart leaps as he hears the gate swing open. Too late. His worst fears are confirmed. The unrelenting Henry is now purposefully making his way up the garden path and toward the the house where Max and John are isolated, cornered and in Max’s case, petrified. Gathering up every ounce of his canine courage and without a second’s thought for his own safety Max charges out of the house, tail hoisted aloft and barking his war cry as loud as his voice will muster. He heads straight for Henry wondering why this stalking maniac refused to listen to all of his earlier warnings. “You might kill me but you’ll never take John”, Max decides. Henry, his face very quickly drained of all its colour, is shocked and taken aback to be confronted by a clearly furious Max, the dog he’d heard so many nice stories about from doting John. This isn’t at all the dog he thought he’d be meeting. Henry, alarmed and frightened makes his way toward Max, attempting to offer a hand of reassurance and friendship. Max is having none of it. “John warned you. Then I warned you. Why wouldn’t you just listen?”, reasoned Max. Undeterred by Henry’s advance and determined not to let his owner come to any harm, Max lunges in Henry’s direction. The realisation that Max is a long way past the stage of being able to be pacified dawns on Henry fast and he hastily tries to beat a retreat back out of the gate from which he entered. John, hearing the commotion and now panic stricken by Max’s attack bellows “No! Max, no.” Acutely tuned to his owner’s emotions and sensing the fear and alarm in John’s voice, Max forges ahead and launches into a full scale attack on Henry. And then, as quick as it began, it was over. An ambulance arrives to take Henry away and, hearing the commotion, John’s neighbours have summoned the Police. John can be heard explaining, “He’s never done anything like this before“, the attack came “totally out of the blue“, Max was always “such a trustworthy dog“, he’s “never shown any signs of aggression in his life“, the attack was “totally unprovoked“. But we know differently don’t we? Let’s look again at how Max saw things unfold: Max spots a man walking toward his and his owner’s garden - ‘his territory’ Not unduly worried, Max paid little attention to the stranger until John shouted in Henry’s direction. To Max, this was a clear signal to ‘watch for danger’ Obediently, Max sat at the front gate and watched for that danger. He attempted to signal to Henry by putting his tail in the air and growling, that he was prepared to defend his owner and territory. As Henry gets closer, Max again postures but now spots Henry’s aggressive body language, his wide eyes refusing to overt their gaze a clear signal of intent. Henry’s point blank refusal to alter his path, a sure fire gesture of defiance. As John runs inside, Max’s thoughts turn to escape. He now believes John is as scared as he is and they should both seek shelter from the safety of the house. Too late. As Henry enters the garden (Max and John’s territory) Max does what he thinks his owner needs him to do. He defends against the threat. As Henry runs away and John panics, Max takes this as a sign that he should increase his attack, his canine instincts now in complete overdrive. So let us again question whether John was correct when he explained to Police that Max’s attack was unprovoked. Was it unprovoked? Not at all. Was it unjustified in human, social terms? Absolutely. Was it avoidable? Totally. The Aftermath Henry, his pain eased only slightly by drugs lies motionless in a hospital bed and starts to face the reality that a visit to see a dear, old friend has left him disfigured for the rest of his life. He ponders how best to explain to his young children that he’s still their Dad even though he knows his mutilated features will upset them deeply. He wonders how life will be from now on, how people will react to him. Max, confused and still frightened by the terrifying ordeal earlier in the day is now wondering why he’s found himself confined to a small, secure cage at the vet surgery. He stares through the bars and looks longingly towards the door, hoping against hope that he will soon be reunited with his trusted friend and master, John. Unbeknown to Max, he’ll never see John again. As the door swings open, Max’s tail momentarily begins to wag but he’s deflated. It’s not John. It’s a vet nurse. He’s still pleased to see her. He’s lonely and upset and he just wants to go home and be with his friend. He’s too pre-occupied to wonder why the vet nurse seems so wary of him. Wanting to put her at ease, he submissively offers up his paw. As the vet nurse holds it, she carefully shaves a small patch of fur away from his leg. Max didn’t even notice the injection. On this day it wasn’t only Max’s body that was destroyed as John’s memories of a kind, gentle, fun loving dog died too. He asks himself once more, “Why did my dog attack someone for no reason?” John may never know it, but Max had his reasons. Dogs do not bite people without reason. They do not attack out of the blue. They do not launch into savage, frenzied assaults without provocation despite what you will undoubtedly read in news reports when the next dog attack hits the press. There are NO devil dogs. There are NO unprovoked dog attacks. There IS a huge gap in understanding amongst some dog owners about why dogs attack and until we can bridge that gap in education people will continue to be attacked and more and more dogs will join Max, their memories destroyed along with their bodies.

Enig, slikken alene er ikke et signal til mig om at der er noget alarmerende galt, bare et kort øjebliks tøven eller usikkerhed. Præcis som vi andre også oplever det, f.eks. når der pludselig er en høj lyd i fjernsynet eller lignende. Og grunden til at Luna gør det ofte er jo, at hun stadig er hvalp og meget afhængig af os, så derfor betyder vores mening stadig ret meget for hende, men jeg er ikke tvivl om at det nok skal ændre sig hen ad vejen :blink:

I den slags situationer ville jeg bare vælge at sige at hundene alligevel ikke skulle hilse, chancen for at det går galt er efter min mening for stor når den anden hund ser så anspændt ud som den på videoen, det er jo tydeligt at den ikke bryder sig om situationen og at der ikke skal særlig meget til før den eksploderer. Og at Dumle reagerer, jamen den anden hund er jo truende i sine signaler, og han vælger måske bare at angreb er det bedste forsvar, så jeg ville som sagt afbryde mødet før det når der til. Jeg har altid afbrudt alle møder hvor den ene eller den anden hund har et stift kropssprog, da det sjældent fører noget godt med sig.

Ud fra det du beskriver, så tror jeg bare det har været en lille usikkerhed over hvad der skulle ske, og et dæmpende signal til Hjalte for at vise at Cujo kun havde gode hensigter. Som sagt, Luna gør det flere gange dagligt, og det er bare en måde at kommunikerer på. Så det skal tolkes i forbindelse med hvad der ellers sker, det betyder ikke at hunden er helt vildt usikker eller noget. Luna gør det f.eks. også når vi siger nej til hende, og her skyldes det at hun viser at hun har forstået og vi ikke må blive sure eller noget. Hun kan også finde på at gøre det hvis hun ikke forstår hvad det er vi vil have hende til. Hun kan dog også bruge det i situationer hvor hun er rigtig usikker, men så følger der som regel flere signaler med, så som at hun trækker sig væk, læner kroppen bagud, ørerne bagud osv. Så jeg vil mene (og jeg er ikke ekspert) at så længe at slikket ikke bliver fulgt op af andre signaler, så er det bare en lille usikkerhed. man skal selvfølgelig være opmærksom på disse signaler, men man skal heller ikke gå i evig angst for at gøre noget forkert fordi at disse signaler kommer, men bare forsøge at forstå hvad der får hunden til at kommunikerer denne usikkerhed, så man måske i fremtiden kan forsøge at forhindre denne usikkerhed. Men alene mener jeg ikke at næse slikkeri er et voldsomt usikkerhedssignal, bare lidt som når vi andre blinker med øjnene når vi ikke lige ved hvad der skal ske. På et tidspunkt havde jeg læst en masse om signaler, og samtidig læst at hunde havde ørerne bagudrettet når de var nervøse. Så da Baldur havde ørerne bagudrettet hver gang jeg talte til ham, så troede jeg at han var bange for mig. Jeg gjorde alt muligt for at gøre situationen bedre, men intet virkede. En dag læste jeg så at det var normalt, og at det var af ren og skær høflighed og for at vise at han ikke var farlig at han gjorde det... Så nogen gange skal man passe på at man ikke overfortolker

Stress er jo ikke bare stress, det findes i højere eller mindre grad. Og det billede som du viser her (flot fanget forresten :5up:) siger jo ikke noget om hvad der ellers skete i situationen, hvad gjorde han lige før, og lige bagefter. Det kan jo sagtens være et lille nervøst slik over at du er for tæt på hans legetøj, eller fordi at han lige blev forvirret over kameraet. Luna laver den slags slik flere gange dagligt (hun er også stadig hvalp), og det kommer hvis man bevæger sig for hurtigt i hendes retning, rækker ind over hende, eller andre ting hvor hun lige bliver usikker på hvad hensigten er. Men at ørerne er fremme, jeg ved ikke om det betyder noget, om det bare er et tilfælde, eller om det måske er fordi at han bare blev usikker i et kort øjeblik, men ikke voldsomt usikker.

Og flere endnu [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VmWizZueFQ&feature=related[/media] Pt 1 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VmWizZueFQ&feature=related[/media] Pt 2 Contrast Happy and stressed [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6ONwp-42A&feature=related[/url][/media] Pt 3 Fear [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4hLYdd5HY&feature=related[/url][/media] Pt 4 Threat [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-VNVvmjb6c&feature=related[/media] Pt 5 Contact Intention & Threat [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_8ehodBmQ&feature=related[/media] Pt 6 Fear and Aggression [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_5J5fAyFmo&feature=related[/media] Pt 7 Ritualization Trish King Fear in dogs [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epOUthYQM80 Pt. 5 [media] [url= ][/media] Pt. 6 Så skulle der vist være underholdning til resten af dagen :blink:

Her er en lille video med et møde imellem 2 hunde [media] [/media]

Det er nemlig billederne, og i nogle tilfælde videoerne, der gør at man kan huske det. Det kan også være svært at vide præcist hvad der menes med "kort mundvige", når der ikke er noget billede der viser hvad det er...

Jeg fandt denne video om hundes kropssprog, og jeg syntes rent faktisk at den er udemærket. Det meste vidste jeg allerede, men det er altid godt at se sproget i forskellige situationer så man kan blive lidt klogere :5up: [media] [/media]

Det gør det selvfølgelig lidt sværere Men så må du lokke ham til at filme jer når han har tid, det er jo kun frekvenser af et par minutters varighed, så det tror jeg godt lige han kan få klemt ind i programmet :blink:

Luna kan jo det her med baljen, men jeg kan godt optage en video og lægge ind, så du kan se hvordan vi gør, skal jeg gøre det? Og vi vil da også se dine træningsvideoer :5up:

Det vil også være rigtig godt for mig at lægge videoer herind af vores træning, fordi jeg har en tildens til aldrig rigtig at blive færdig med en øvelse, og så bare gå i gang med en ny, så Luna kan en masse halvfærdige øvelser, men ingen er øvet færdigt Så ved at lave en videotråd herinde, så kan I andre ligesom være med til at holde mig fast på øvelsen, så vi også får nogle brugbare ting ud af det, og ikke bare en masse hygge og aktivering :blink:

super, den glæder jeg mig til at se

Skal vi så ikke oprette en tråd til hver ting (eller som her, de 2-3 ting)vi træner, så man kan indlægge den næste video i samme tråd og på den måde følge fremskridtet? Jeg glæder mit til at se videoen, og jeg vil også prøve at nå at få lagt en video ind af Luna's (forhåbentlige) fremskridt

Hun ved jo hvor hun skal sidde, fordi at når hun sidder korrekt, så støder hendes skulder imod mit knæ, det er jo det jeg har belønnet hende for. Så det er rent faktisk ikke nær så meget positionen jeg har belønnet for, som det at hendes skulder presser imod det rigtige sted på mit knæ. Hvis du forstår hvad jeg mener? Vi har også startet med at træne ved hjælp af elefantmetoden, det vil sige at Luna er blevet belønnet for at stå med forbenene på en balje, og kun bevæge bagbenene for at bevæge sig rundt i en cirkel. Denne øvelse har gjort at hun ved hvordan hun skal rykke rundt med bagparten, og det hjælper hende til at vide hvordan hun skal rette ind

Har du betinget klikkeren, så han ved hvad den betyder? Hvis du har, så må du begynde at klikke bare han så meget som skæver i retning af te-posen, altså ikke vente på at han dutter eller kigger direkte på den, men bare når han drejer hovedet en milimeter i retning af te-posen

Altså, som du jo ved, så plejer jeg at have joggingbukser på, samt beskidte negle, så for min skyld behøver du ikke at gøre så meget ud af det Men du må da selvom hvad du vil have på :blink:

På den anden side, så har jeg jo også haft meget svært ved at fange Baldurs interesse, og har lært en masse af det. Så måske kunne jeg fortælle dig hvad du skulle gøre anderledes, men det kræver jo først at jeg har set hvad du gør :blink:

Jeg syntes rent faktisk at det kunne være rigtig sjovt at oprette sådan en "træningsgruppe" hvor vi optog vores træningstimer på video og fik konstruktiv kritik og hjælp fra andre. Og nu om dage har de fleste jo webcam og skype, så man ville rent faktisk også kunne få hjælp imens man træner. Det ville selvfølgelig ikke være proff hjælp, men bare gode råd fra en hundeejer til en anden. Jeg syntes som sagt det kunne være sjovt, også fordi at vi så bedre kan følge hinandens fremgang, og lære af hinanden Det kunne være man skulle starte med en helt ny øvelse, optage første gang man træner den, og så ellers lægge en video af hver træningssession ind. Jeg gad ihvertfald godt se jer andres træningsvideoer :5up:

Jeg ville belønne al rolig adfærd omkring katten. Der skal stå en skål med godbidder på sofabordet/spisebordet og andre steder hvor hunden kommer, således at I altid lige kan få fat i en godbid. Når hunden kigger på katten, men ikke gør noget for at nærme sig den, så skynder I jer at belønne. På denne måde lærer I hunden at det kan betale sig at udvise rolig adfærd i nærheden af katten. Men det kræver at I belønner denne rolig adfærd ofte, og derfor mit forslag om at have skåle med godbidder mange steder i huset, så I altid har mulighed for at belønne rigtig adfærd

Hvor må det bare være skønt at træne noget, hvor hunden glæder sig endnu mere til træningen end man selv gør :5up:

Jeg har trænet øvelsen med hende et stykke tid, og hver gang hun har placeret sig forkert, så har jeg bare flyttet mig så hun måtte forsøge igen. I går var første gang jeg ikke flytttede mig, jeg tilbageholdte så bare klikket, og håbede at hendes frustration over ikke at blive belønnet, ville få hende til at forsøge igen, og det gjorde det. Så frustratonen over ikke at blive belønnet fik Luna til at rette ind, men om det er den rigtige måde at træne det på, det ved jeg ikke Og det er helt ok at du bruger min tråd